I know this board has been on life support through the summer. Hope to get some opinions and what works for others. I just picked up a Ten Point Rangemaster Pro scope. Got it for below 50% of retail price off C/T classifieds, so I bit. I was just comparing it to my TR 525. I think the TPRP, with its 30mm tube, was a little brighter, though the TR525 is very bright and clear for the price. Biggest difference (for me) was when I turned on the illumination. BOTH are too bright (IMO) on the first (dimmest) step. The difference is the reticle and what's lit up. With the TPRP, the bolder reticle and spots were pretty easy to aim with when it was getting pretty dim, without illumination. With the light on step 1, I could still aim on selected leaves with the TPRP. Only the spots light up with the TP. With the TR525, once it got to "deer 30" light, I could still see those leaves, just couldn't aim on them because the reticle was so fine it didn't show up (again, to me). Turning the light on to step 1, those selected leaves just about vanished. When the half circle above the 20 yard "crosshair" lights up, I just lose so much of the background. I can still do much better with my 2 Leupolds with the heavy duplex reticle. I just wish the duplex "points" were squared off instead of so sharply pointed. (They are nice for fine aiming in good light though.) Again, for me, the best low light scope I've looked through is the Parker Pin Point. It's bright, pretty clear, and the illumination is adjustable down to a much lower level than the TP or TR, but still very clearly visible. I would have to assume that the Leupold firedot scopes would be excellent, but I doubt I spend that kind of money at this point in time. At any rate, that's my experience. YMMV.